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When should one consider joining or perhaps even creating a trade union in the US, as opposed to taking other actions? That is, when would it do more good for the person, rather than doing him or her no good?

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Attitudes to Unions very around the world. It is difficult to know how to answer this question without the context of your location. In some countries, Unions are seen as money grubbing parasites, seeking to stifle competition and destroy tax earning businesses. In other countries, unions are the bastions of democracy, the only organisations capable of effectively fighting for fair pay and conditions. In the UK, we have a more balanced approach, recognising their failings, but also appreciating the work that Unions do for the benefit of business and society. –  Mark Booth Apr 16 '12 at 11:06
    
@MarkBooth - You really feel the UK has a balanced approach with regards to Unions? As somebody from the outside, I look at your Unions, and thank the lights in space ( Futurama reference ) that the americans are only half has horrible :$ –  Ramhound Apr 27 '12 at 15:27
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I think that perceptions on Unions are often coloured by politics. In the UK, many of us look at the US and consider it right wing, but when we look at much of Europe we consider it left wing. Our labour laws reflect that, they are not as libertarian as the US, but nor are they as liberal as other European countries. Foaming mouth unionists aside, many unions in the UK do a good job of employee representation and collective bargaining and contrary to popular believe many are free of association with a political party. –  Mark Booth Apr 27 '12 at 15:41
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@MarkBooth - There are unions in the US that do the same. I am scared to think about how the Meat Packing industry would operate today if it were never unionized. Unions also tend to help keep non union shops honest. –  ReallyTiredOfThisGame May 2 '12 at 15:36
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@ramhound in no way is the UK Balanced the balance is very strongly on the side of the employer and we don't have the "issues" that bedevil Unions in the USA –  Neuro Oct 17 '12 at 20:17

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When considering unionizing it is important to realize that the process is likely to be harmful (at least in the short term) to your company and to the workers.

While no one can predict the fate of your company if you become unionized, you should know that the Teamsters' track record for its members keeping jobs is not a good one.

 

Today's unions are a multi-billion dollar per year industry, collecting more than $10 billion per year in union dues from workers. The majority of today's union-represented employees never voted to become unionized but must pay the union or be fired from their jobs. Union dues are used to finance the running of the union's business.

Source: www.1-888-no-union.com

Many companies are forced out of business when they are not able to compete due to added costs required due to the union.

I would not consider voting to unionize unless the company is strong and has a solid profitability. Better to quit a job you hate than cost every one else you work with their job. Not to mention bringing in a union could just cost you dues and end up costing you pay.

These conditions may warrant considering unionization:

  • The company has a history of flouting the laws and regulations regarding safety and employee rights.
  • The company uses false promises and disingenuous incentives to drive goals but has real consequences for not meeting base standards.
  • The company moves employees to positions they are not capable of doing or that are unpleasant to force out employees they do not like, or who are on the verge of retention awards.

Things you should not unionize for:

  • Better pay - You will end up losing here. While you may see an immediate bump in pay you could earn more taking your experience to another company than you will get though unionization.
  • Better benefits - See above.
  • Better working hours - The business has needs. This is usually one of the first thing the union gives up in negotiations anyway.
  • Because you do not like your company - You will not like your employer anymore in a union shop than you did before. Causing the company harm will do no good. You are better off finding a job at a company you do like.

There are companies that I have worked at in my life that I feel could or have benefited from unionization. If I were going to try to organize a union I would try to find one that was not part of a big national union. These are businesses with their own interests that you can not count on to care about your company, your wages, or your retirement.

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You left out under you shouldn't unionize if "You are higher skill, capability or just a harder worker than your peers and those qualities in your particular area of expertise is rewarded with higher raises.". Because when you are in a union, the best and worst workers are treated the same. –  Dunk Apr 19 '12 at 18:01
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@Dunk - Because I do not think that is a valid reason not to unionize. You form a union to protect yourself and your coworkers. If you need protecting it does not really matter if you are a better worker than your colleagues. –  ReallyTiredOfThisGame Apr 19 '12 at 18:08
    
@Chad - This answer is very good considering the subject matter in some industry is very touchy ( i.e. Automobile Industry ). A union is not going to save your job, your interests likely will not be the same as the unions, which is the only interest the union is interested in. What a union can do is exactly what you listed, solve something that cannot be solved alone, although I would agrue if we are talking federal/state regulations there are better ways to solve them. Moving you a position you don't like won't be solved by a Union, again, indivual interests are not always a concern. –  Ramhound Apr 27 '12 at 15:32
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I think the answer is balanced but is the source no-union.com likely to be responsible for the facts that it cites? –  Erik Reppen Jul 20 '12 at 3:11
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@Chad Being politically charged encourages bias. I'm just saying I would look for slightly more neutral ground. That nobody disputes the figures is kind of hard to corroborate and doesn't necessarily prove they're not trumped up. Again, good balanced answer. I'm just picking a nit. But I wouldn't go to either extreme of the gun-rights debate for instance, if I were looking for facts. –  Erik Reppen Jul 20 '12 at 19:02

when would it do more good for the person, rather than doing him or her no good?

There's no easy answer.

On pay, the most comparable issue, the headline statistics for the US as a whole are that:

In 2011, among full-time wage and salary workers, union members had median usual weekly earnings of $938, while those who were not union members had median weekly earnings of $729.

As with all statistics, they come with caveats - the full info is here: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

To help you think through it, you need to ask yourself whether you're prepared to make it work:

Do you have issues which you and your colleagues have common cause over? This could be wages, but it could be safety, stress and workload, or even just respect.

Are they issues which people care about? A union is no good if its members don't care. But if you and your colleagues are willing to be confident and work together, then you can make a difference.

Are they issues on which you can make a difference? If your company is about to close down, you may find getting a new coffee machine might not be achievable. But generally, there's a lot that is winnable with the right approach. You can make the case that taking care of your employees is an effective way for the company to foster the trust and innovation that's essential to success.

If you have issues which match these three criteria, then there is something you can do collectively. You can try to do it on your own, or you can ask an existing union for help. Think about what's important to you in a union, consider what other workplaces in your industry are doing. It's a decision you and your colleagues need to make together.

If you're going into it thinking just "will it benefit me", then you need to think about your career. If you're genuinely going to be leaving your job soon, then don't make a half-hearted attempt. But if you plan on working in the same industry for any length of time, then please do consider joining a union. Very often unions on one job end up improving conditions for all jobs, union and non-union in that industry.

Finally, if it only evens out for you personally, consider that it might help your colleagues!

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In the United States we have two basic systems for Unionized workers. Twenty three states have 'right to work' laws which in general prohibit collective bargaining agreements that force all employees to join the union and outlaw forced collection of union dues from non-members.

The other states all allow some form of compulsory union membership contracts.

In general the states with forced union membership have slightly higher average wages, but they also have significantly higher unemployment.

If you are considering forming a Union in a right to work state you'll have a steeper hill to climb.

Keep in mind that union membership has been steadily declining in the U.S. private sector, dropping from 20% in 1983 to 12% in 2010.

If you are interested in forming a union then the first step is to talk to an existing union, such as the AFL-CIO, Teamsters, or Service Employees International Union. They will be glad to help you take the first steps if you decide to try and unionize your employer.

While union membership by technical professionals is unusual in the U.S., it's not unheard of. Boeing engineers in Washington state unionized a few years ago.

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