Timeline for Important ex-volunteer demanding the humiliation of former colleague
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| Feb 21, 2020 at 4:49 | comment | added | G_B | @nvoigt ...or Of Human Bondage: "The Frau Professor insisted that nothing but German should be spoken, so that Philip, ... was forced to hold his tongue", "he had been forced to prepare such a phrase as that", "she forced him to vulgar and degrading shifts", "When she forced him to make appointments". If you're unwilling to listen to other commenters here who are trying to tell you that you've missed a nuance of English language, perhaps at least consider that those authors knew what they were doing? (2/2) | |
| Feb 21, 2020 at 4:43 | comment | added | G_B | @nvoigt Your understanding of "force" doesn't match the way that word is actually used in English. Although it includes cases of violence and threat, it's also used in cases where the "force" is no more than mild social obligation or even self-discipline. See e.g. Great Expectations, "forced to the admission", "I forced myself to tell him", "forced myself to silence". (1/2) | |
| Feb 20, 2020 at 13:52 | comment | added | nvoigt♦ | @GeoffreyBrent No, being signed up on the roster does not force anybody. They could just not show up, it's only a piece of paper. Only the threat of "show up or else" will actually mean you are forced. Can you construct a case where one person forces another without threat or violence? | |
| Feb 19, 2020 at 13:08 | comment | added | G_B | @nvoigt PS - given that I didn't at any point claim that Shou's behaviour was "okay", I would appreciate it if you'd correct that misrepresentation. | |
| Feb 19, 2020 at 13:00 | comment | added | G_B | @nvoigt If somebody changes my password, I might be forced to use a different computer. If somebody eats all the chocolate ice cream, I might be forced to eat strawberry or go without. If somebody decides not to offer me the salary I asked for, I might be forced to accept a lower salary or look elsewhere. And if somebody who has been given authority to set the roster assigns me to cleanup duty, and I'm the type to obey that authority, they have forced me to do cleanup. (Though in this case, clearly, Mihai wasn't that type, hence the "attempted".) | |
| Feb 19, 2020 at 4:53 | comment | added | nvoigt♦ | @GeoffreyBrent Exactly. How in the world is "forcing" not coupled to either violence or threat? "If you don't eat your vegetables, you won't get desert" might be childish, but it's still a threat. If there was neither violence nor threat, then it wasn't forced. Or is there a way to force a person to do something that I missed, besides threat and violence? | |
| Feb 19, 2020 at 0:26 | comment | added | G_B | @nvoigt Where are you getting "makes it okay" from? Nobody in these comments was arguing that Shou's behaviour was acceptable, just pointing out that your "threatened" is extrapolating beyond what's stated in the OP. Checking a couple of dictionaries, while "force" can mean anything up to physical coercion, it can also mean just attempting to deny somebody choice: "I didn't want dessert, but she forced it on me". | |
| Feb 18, 2020 at 23:09 | comment | added | zinfandel | -1 This answer is based on an extremely one sided and speculative interpretation of the opening post. As noted by Geoffrey, the OP doesn't mention threats on Shou's part. The framing that he wields significant institutional power is pure speculation, as is the insinuation he uses it to terrorise other volunteers. The conclusion that one of the two people involved needs to be fired is totally over the top | |
| Feb 16, 2020 at 23:51 | comment | added | nvoigt♦ | Well, in my dictionary, „force“ does not stand for „tried to convince and hoped it would work“. If yours has a definition that makes it okay to „force“ volunteers, feel free to add your own interpretation. | |
| Feb 16, 2020 at 21:54 | comment | added | G_B | I'm not seeing "threatened" in the post, and "force" could mean just about anything from "put him in a chokehold" to "put him on a roster without asking his preferences". You're right that it's worth checking Shou's account of the situation, but until them I wouldn't assume that Shou was attempting to bully here. | |
| Feb 16, 2020 at 21:48 | comment | added | Damila | Where does it say Shou threatened Mihai? What could he threaten? | |
| Feb 16, 2020 at 13:10 | comment | added | Fiora the Ferret | +1. As soon as your organisation applies pressure for volunteers to do specific tasks that they are unwilling to do, they stop being volunteers. | |
| Feb 16, 2020 at 12:24 | history | answered | nvoigt♦ | CC BY-SA 4.0 |