Timeline for Should I point out that I'm a woman when negotiating starting salary?
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| Jun 19, 2016 at 11:20 | comment | added | Agent_L | @Yakk I never questioned the existence of the gender pay gap. I merely said that policies on it exist for PR reasons. And asking for a policy that's not there boils down to same old "do you oppress". | |
| Jun 19, 2016 at 11:10 | comment | added | Yakk | @agent_l I think you misunderstand what is at issue here. This question is not about "does the gender pay gap exist", despite the large number of people talking about how it does not. It is about asking about the company policy about it. If you want to talk about its existence, please do so in a forum about that question. | |
| Jun 19, 2016 at 8:26 | comment | added | Agent_L | @Yakk McMaster is exploiting the drama for their own benefit. If a policy is there, it will be advertised. That's the very point of having it. To determine if it's ok to ask, let's replace "female pay gap" with "insert religion-name-here values". There are many companies with religious values written into their mission, but if you ask for them where there are none you'll get labeled as a fundamentalist. And of course the biggest point is that having religious values has nothing to do with a company being good or evil one. | |
| Jun 16, 2016 at 17:10 | comment | added | Yakk | @Agent_L Yes, I meant the same paragraph (I edited in the last paragraph instead of only leaving it in a comment). The last paragraph just explains why it may be a valid option (when you are basically willing to walk away from the job if they don't answer the way you want). This is a high-cost choice, but it doesn't mean it is never a good one. | |
| Jun 16, 2016 at 16:20 | comment | added | Agent_L | @Yakk It was added after my comment. I meant the penultimate paragraph. | |
| Jun 16, 2016 at 15:43 | history | edited | Yakk | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jun 16, 2016 at 15:39 | comment | added | Yakk | @Agent_L The last paragraph simply states "if you ask this question, and they aren't on-board, you should be committed to walking away". People who think there is no need to address gender pay gaps will be offended and/or oppress harder (you are a "troublemaker") if you bring it up. Thus only bring it up if you are willing to walk away if they don't respond enthusiastically. There are companies that will respond enthusiastically: See McMaster University. | |
| Jun 16, 2016 at 15:36 | comment | added | Yakk | @dan1111 This very Q&A implies you are wrong. There are large number of people who respond very negatively to even being asked about this. Look at gnasher right under you, where merely asking about such a policy is "an indication of trouble". | |
| Jun 16, 2016 at 15:24 | comment | added | gnasher729 | I am sure the company where I work has no policy whatsoever to address "gender pay gaps", but pays people according to what they are worth, as they should do. A good company wouldn't need a policy. On the other hand, asking the question alone is an indication of trouble. | |
| Jun 16, 2016 at 15:15 | comment | added | user45590 | I don't think asking in general about policies to support the equality of women in the workplace would likely be offensive. The problem with bringing up the pay gap during salary negotiations is that you appear to be implying something about the specific people you are negotiating with. Asking about a general company policy to address a systemic problem does not have the same implications. | |
| Jun 16, 2016 at 15:06 | comment | added | Agent_L | I wanted to upvote but the last paragraph is pretty much the same mistake OP tried to make in the first place - that is asking "do you oppress?". Rewording the question changes nothing. | |
| Jun 16, 2016 at 15:01 | history | answered | Yakk | CC BY-SA 3.0 |