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I'm a recent graduate looking for jobs as a software engineer and trying to understand the industry.

My question:

  • Are permanent contracts easy to get? Say I spent 2 years at a company (with a limited contract), then they want me to stay for another project, then is it normally, in the German software industry, that I will get a permanent contract or should I negotiate for it?

  • And what about entering a new company after 2 years of experience, is it easy to get a permanent contract from the very beginning? Or are there special conditions for it?

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Permanent employment is considered the standard way of employment in Germany.

If you are looking in online job portals, you will find more permanent than limited contract positions.

Getting a permanent contract should not be any harder than getting a temporary one.

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    Clear and to the point. The awesome German style. Thank you so much. – Jack Twain May 4 '15 at 15:16
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    +1. It may well be harder to land a limited contract in Germany than a permanent one. – Stephan Kolassa May 4 '15 at 16:00
  • @StephanKolassa but this is strange. Why is that? I would assume the opposite! – Jack Twain May 4 '15 at 16:21
  • @JackTwain I guess it's tradition. It is my impression that many Germans stick with their job for life, once they've found one they like. Btw, I'm a software developer in Germany and when I first started jobhunting 3 years ago, the Arbeitsamt told me there were 2 to 5 times as many open positions as applicants at that time, depending on region. And considering the trouble we have to get good applicants, it's probably still the case. So if you're a decent programmer, go get a job you'll like, with a permanent contract. There's no need to settle for less. – Sumyrda May 4 '15 at 16:50
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    As @Sumyrda says. Germans, as a rule, place a high premium on stability. So on the one hand, if you are willing to settle for a non-permanent position, the prospective employer will wonder why that is and whether you will soon be gone. And conversely, the employer will usually want someone for the long haul, since that is what most applicants are interested in. It's really something of a chicken & egg problem, and a cultural thing. – Stephan Kolassa May 4 '15 at 17:37
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Well, "easy" is a pretty subjective word.

That said, I am under the impression (myself working in Germany as well) that the market is quite good for the applicants. There are many open positions.

Of course, your question is very general. The main factors playing a role are:

  • Location : many positions in Berlin and Munich, a bit less in other places

  • Exact field : Big data and Web/app programming are booming in Berlin, Embedded software programming in Munich for example.

Now, about the "permanent" part of the contract, I believe it is standard.

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