Timeline for New manager is a jerk - is it OK to quit without providing a reason?
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| Jan 6, 2019 at 9:04 | comment | added | Gwyn Evans | @LightnessRacesinOrbit as someone in the same position as you, the reason I’ve been quoted is that previous managers are explicitly forbidden, by corporate policy, from providing personal references to ensure that they’re all done via HR, who will provide the minimal, approved by corporate lawyers, information that they can get away with... | |
| Jan 5, 2019 at 17:15 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | @Moo I'm not sure what companies you worked for, but as a UK national in the tech industry that's not my experience in the slightest. I am fortunate to have some lovely references "on file" (read: available on demand) that serve a far greater purpose than simply proving that I'm not lying about my employment history on my CV. If that was all I was getting in references from five companies over eighteen years I'd be asking myself why my former employers don't feel that they had any more to say. | |
| Jan 4, 2019 at 23:30 | comment | added | Blrfl | "I burnt a bridge and don't have a reference from that company" Sure you do: everyone else you worked with who left. They know you better than [other manager] and don't have to be put in the position of having to speak for the company. | |
| Jan 4, 2019 at 18:25 | comment | added | industry7 | "The question why are you leaving is for them to get feedback on why employees leave, not for you to justify why you're leaving." Like, if I'm leaving a company, how in the world am I supposed to know why other people left this company in the past? I would only know why I was leaving the company. | |
| Jan 4, 2019 at 10:26 | comment | added | Eel Lee | @TKK "If anything, being candid about these things (while remaining tactful) is a useful filter because I wouldn't want to work for anyone who has a problem with it." - absolutely this. I can't see any good outcome from just sitting quiet - the problem exists and nobody is warned about it - how can it be better than at least respectfully trying to change it or alarm about it? | |
| Jan 3, 2019 at 19:27 | comment | added | StackOverthrow | When everyone quits, the problem clearly wasn't you. I've been the last person to quit from a doomed project, and I've been fired by someone who was fired less than two weeks later, at least in part because of the issues I raised in my exit interview. If anything, being candid about these things (while remaining tactful) is a useful filter because I wouldn't want to work for anyone who has a problem with it. | |
| Jan 3, 2019 at 18:43 | comment | added | Tezra | You left after a change in management, wouldn't it be normal to only get a "he worked here" recommendation when the supervisors you worked for left? (No one there with meaningful experience with you) | |
| Jan 3, 2019 at 17:47 | comment | added | usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ | In Europe, if you disclose to your potential employer or headhunter that you are leaving on burned bridges with your current employer (without going into detail), they will likely skip that company from the reference stack and start from your previous job. I have been always offered this opportunity by headhunters. Of course, too many burned bridges sound like alert | |
| Jan 3, 2019 at 16:52 | comment | added | GalacticCowboy | This might be a cultural/national thing, but in the USA every exit interview I've had was conducted on my final day, often in conjunction with handing in my key card, laptop, etc. So no opportunity for them to put me on "garden leave" or any other repercussion. | |
| Jan 3, 2019 at 10:18 | comment | added | eggyal | (Replacing my earlier comment in order to elaborate a little). Bad references are *legal*—but if (i) they’re inaccurate or misleading; (ii) as a consequence, some loss is suffered (eg job not offered); and (iii) the subject finds out, then the provider of the reference might be sued for damages. Whilst that’s all unlikely, many businesses avoid the risk by only confirming basic facts (employment dates, role, salary, etc). Nevertheless, many people do still talk (off the record) about their former colleagues and indeed an unwillingness to do so can of itself sometimes ring alarm bells. | |
| Jan 3, 2019 at 7:54 | comment | added | user34687 | @JayGould I know I'm on good terms with those companies as remain in contact with them, and have done contract work for several of them since leaving their regular employ. | |
| Jan 3, 2019 at 7:52 | comment | added | user34687 | @JayGould I have 18 years of excellent employment history in the UK, over 5 companies, and every single one of those companies gives a "yes he was here" reference - I wouldn't expect anything different in the UK, and an actual reference would be most unusual. Straw poll of other Brits I know in the industry agree with me, so it's not just me or my situation. I certainly wouldn't expect anything along the lines of "I would recommend X for employment" as that opens up the company giving the reference to legal issues one way or the other. | |
| Jan 3, 2019 at 7:48 | comment | added | James Gould | @Moo you're right in that I could have gotten a "we can confirm he worked these dates" recommendation, and that in the UK it would be illegal to give a bad reference, all of my other jobs being long term giving good references and my most recent of 3 months being "yes he was here" seems off to me. | |
| Jan 3, 2019 at 7:46 | comment | added | James Gould | @EricDuminil oops, fixed :) typed this up at 7am! | |
| Jan 3, 2019 at 7:46 | history | edited | James Gould | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jan 3, 2019 at 5:55 | comment | added | user34687 | "I burnt a bridge no don't have a reference from that company" - out of interest, what manner do your references usually come in? When I worked in the UK, a reference is expected to be solely "X worked at our company from date Y to date Z" with utterly no recommendation or other comment, and certainly no personal recommendation from a specific former colleague or manager. When I sought work in NZ, my recruiter sent an example reference he cobbled together from other applicants (anonymised) which went into massive depth into detail of work ethic etc etc.... | |
| Jan 3, 2019 at 3:04 | comment | added | aroth | "Next day at 9:03 I get pulled into the meeting room and told that I'm being sent on garden leave" - Some might view that as a legitimate achievement of your candor. There are worse things than being paid for doing nothing. | |
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| Jan 2, 2019 at 7:55 | history | answered | James Gould | CC BY-SA 4.0 |