Timeline for Should I keep asking candidates to include a specific word to filter out candidates who didn't pay attention to the job ad?
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| S Apr 5, 2019 at 19:08 | history | rollback | Smitty |
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| Apr 5, 2019 at 18:57 | history | suggested | Glorfindel | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 6, 2019 at 4:13 | comment | added | pojo-guy | A better ad might be "looking for a retired or semi retired senior developer to work light duty up to x hours per week bla bla bla." | |
| Feb 5, 2019 at 22:08 | comment | added | Joe Smentz | I'm quite serious about my job and I'd be open to part-time work. I'm freelancing (which currently is filling the function of part-time work) and trying to build a SASS application, and I'd actually prefer to have some part-time work just for stability while I work on my own ideas. There are certainly atypical use-cases for these sorts of things. I am inside the US. | |
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| Feb 5, 2019 at 16:27 | comment | added | Smitty | @IEatBagels: I agree that someone like this can be an asset to an employer.. Im saying that, at least in the US market, a developer candidate that meets OP's competency needs and is willing to only work for partial income doesnt really exist here. In this seller's market that is the software developer resource pool, "very competent students" are receiving Full-Time offers with relocation packages a full year and a half before graduation. they can work part time hours for full time pay. Ive been sent to the local university with job offers just to be told "I told Microsoft yes six months ago" | |
| Feb 5, 2019 at 16:02 | comment | added | Smitty | @sleske: looks like thats the confusion.. Im fuzzy on the details but my understanding of the system here is that benefits in some form are also required by law but only when the employer is of a certain size and only when the job requires a certain number of hours per week... Because of the application of these laws, I feel that the US vernacular has landed on "Part-Time" = Job paid by the hour, variable but not controllable work schedule, no benefits because not required. "Full-Time" = Salary or hourly, benefits package.. Sounds like you have what we would call a "nice full-time gig" | |
| Feb 5, 2019 at 15:56 | comment | added | IEatBagels | A part time developer might be a very competent student that, after graduating, will be glad to stay in the company that gave him a chance for a part time job. These can be valuable assets. | |
| Feb 4, 2019 at 21:56 | comment | added | sleske | @Smitty: Yes, Germany. And here, benefits are much less of an issue, as health and retirement insurance are mandatory by law, with premiums a percentage of income, like tax.And as to "develper shortage": Here, employers often offer a choice of part-time to be more attractive to candidates. They let you work 30h to have more time with the family, with proportionally reduced salary and same benefits. | |
| Feb 4, 2019 at 18:06 | history | edited | Smitty | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Added that my take on the term "Part-Time" may be locale specific.. In the US I have learned to view it as code for "No Benefits"
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| Feb 4, 2019 at 17:58 | comment | added | Smitty | @sleske .. It might have sounded hyperbolic to say I dont know any people interested..seriously I think you are the first.. My career experience has been a long string of employers/clients scrambling to convince me to work more than 40 hours a week... With all this talk about "developer shortages" coupled to "developers get paid well" , a "Part-Time" arrangement just feels strange... Are you outside the US? This might be a locale thing...there are exceptions but Ive always viewed "Part-Time" as a fill-in for "not going to give you enough hours to reach the level that law requires benefits" | |
| Feb 4, 2019 at 17:27 | comment | added | Smitty | @J I agree with VLAZ in that it is about relevance.. I have only written a few cover letters in my career but I remember one job posting had something to the effect "We work with the automotive industry so, if you have any knowledge of how engines work, that would be a bonus"... Im sure many qualified applicants could write "While I dont know much about engines, I'd love to learn"... That would show enough attention to satisfy OP.. Since I work on cars as a hobby, I attached a picture of my project with it's engine sitting next to it and I described the reason I had pulled it out... | |
| Feb 4, 2019 at 13:01 | comment | added | VLAZ | @J... I don't think it's really hailed as genius. I very often find criticism of FizzBuzz, especially when people who conduct the interview try to make it into a "curveball" and go "but what if we want to add feature X, Y, and Z. Your implementation fails!". If you haven't guessed, the complaints are from the people taking the interview. With that aside, writing code at an inteview (what FizzBuzz is) is something relevant for the job of writing code. Adding a random word is not. Even "testing the attention to detail" is quite a stretch. Include a task at the interview to be more accurate. | |
| Feb 4, 2019 at 7:51 | comment | added | sleske | Disagreement about the "part-time" aspect: There are developers looking for a part-time position for various reasons (family commitments, startup on the side, just plain likes to have free time). And OP never implied "no benefits", that's a non-sequitur. Of course, the nature of the job may be such that part-timers do not want to apply, but that's not clear from the question. Disclaimer: I'm a SW dev working part-time :-). | |
| Feb 2, 2019 at 10:48 | comment | added | J... |
How is sunshine silly but FizzBuzz is hailed as genius? They're both ridiculous, but the talent pool is full of complete idiots. If it looks silly to you, it probably means you've never actually tried to hire anyone and don't appreciate how much crap you have to sift through to find good people.
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| Feb 2, 2019 at 4:09 | comment | added | Zach Lipton | Yes, it's this answer. If you want to hire someone on a flexible basis, you can look to hire a contractor, but you're going to be paying more for the flexibility and short-term nature of the job. The pool of applicants in your market who actually want part-time work, pass your filtering test, meet your standards for qualifications, and are otherwise willing to accept the pay and working conditions you're offering could well be zero. | |
| Feb 2, 2019 at 0:09 | comment | added | Omegacron | Good point - disregarding the whole "sunshine" thing, a part-time job will attract either A) junior developers who need the experience, or B) professional developers looking for a side project. Neither of these will satisfy the OP if they're expecting a professional who can focus solely on their company's projects. | |
| Feb 1, 2019 at 23:39 | comment | added | Rui F Ribeiro | This is also a good answer. Heck, I consistently refuse proposals proposals to be paid daily. | |
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| Feb 1, 2019 at 22:52 | history | answered | Smitty | CC BY-SA 4.0 |