Timeline for Can I negotiate a patent idea for a raise, under French law?
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| Mar 8, 2019 at 17:35 | comment | added | L0j1k | Well now I don't disagree with the answer ;) because it mentions leverage and looking for a new job, versus only trying to turn this into a raise. But I think the most important part of the question is that he already feels undervalued, because he's going into the situation feeling this way. So even in the unusual case a pay raise materializes, it's likely to be less than expected, which will only compound how he feels. It will be especially painful if this invention ends up being essentially a lottery ticket for the company. He needs a bigger raise than one can reasonably expect staying put. | |
| Mar 8, 2019 at 17:24 | comment | added | Ben Barden | @L0j1k so... it's not that you disagree with the advice, you're just pessimistic as to the chances that it will work? Really, that sort of thing depends a lot on corporate culture, and on who exactly is in charge. It also depends a lot on how large the company is. Given the workplace as OP has described it, I'm inclined towards optimism, but it's certainly the case that there are a lot of companies out there who will respond as you suggest. I just don't think there's a better option available. | |
| Mar 8, 2019 at 17:18 | comment | added | L0j1k | I should have been clearer in my comment, admittedly, but I ran out of space and got lazy! I agree he has no leverage, which is why he needs to start thinking about a new job. Having no leverage is why companies give out bad raises (versus the raise you get from negotiating the new job's salary). Importantly, if he's feeling undervalued, nothing else matters at all. It's just a matter of time, and not even a good cash bonus will improve his feeling shortchanged. It's totally worth a shot asking for a raise, but even in good companies, this is exactly the kind of thing that never materializes. | |
| Mar 8, 2019 at 16:58 | history | edited | Ben Barden | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Mar 8, 2019 at 16:50 | comment | added | Ben Barden | @L0j1k not all companies are staffed by homo economicus social morons. The kind of job where you love the atmosphere, the relationship with your bosses, and so forth is much more likely to be the sort where a soft play like this actually gets you a positive response. The OP has no leverage. The soft play really is his best bet to get a raise. If they don't respond well to that, then they're clearly not willing to pay you what you're worth. At that point, he walks, because he can't force them to. Admittedly, that would be better edited in. | |
| Mar 8, 2019 at 16:34 | comment | added | L0j1k | Don't do this if you feel undervalued. This is how you tell management that you're the kind of person who's happy with a half percent annual raise around Christmas time (which is actually a 1.0% decrease in earnings after inflation, instead of the 1.5% decrease in earnings you would have after infflation without the "raise"). Companies pay what they can get away with. Accept your hiring negotiation mistake and that you're not going to get much money for the invention, but know that this is the kind of work that will give you a network/industry reputation that companies will fight over. | |
| Mar 8, 2019 at 14:23 | history | answered | Ben Barden | CC BY-SA 4.0 |