Timeline for How do I ask for a higher compensation when the work I'm doing is meant for higher ranks?
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| Mar 11, 2014 at 13:09 | comment | added | Pedro Cordeiro | @Dunk, your concerns are perfectly valid. But reality is that Brazil is a f@#ed up place, and if you don't regulate things, employers will end up hiring everyone as janitors and making them develop software, just because it's cheaper. It's the worst I'm-smarter-than-the-system culture in the world. | |
| Mar 6, 2014 at 20:41 | comment | added | Dunk | @Pedro:I didn't say you made the rule, I didn't know that rule existed anywhere and had to comment on the obvious downside. Anyways, the rule doesn't make sense unless you assume that people with the same credentials and background will perform at about the same level. That is absolutely not true. Now to the extent that productivity bonuses come into play, that could wipe out my entire concern as then workers would have reasons to excel and be motivated. Of course those bonuses better be really big to have any effect at all. | |
| Mar 6, 2014 at 20:33 | comment | added | Dunk | At larger companies, most of the time, the employee proves they are ready for promotion by already successfully performing the duties of the higher level position before they are actually promoted. So your situation doesn't seem out of the ordinary if it doesn't go on for more than a couple of years. However, a degree matters. Some contract bid proposals require this information as they use it as a gauge for whether the contractor can really do the job or not. Also, some government contracts have separate billing rates for degreed versus non-degreed contractor employees. | |
| Mar 6, 2014 at 20:29 | comment | added | Pedro Cordeiro | @Dunk Dude, I'm just reading it, I didn't make the rule. And if you think about it, it kinda makes sense. If you have two employees with different skill levels, they should not be doing the same things. You can also have productivity bonuses, but the base salary must be the same. | |
| Mar 6, 2014 at 20:25 | comment | added | Dunk | @Pedro:Very nice, pay everyone the same. That is really motivating for those who would otherwise be very ambitious and excel at their job. Since that doesn't matter, people will do "just enough" to keep their job since it isn't going to help their pay for them to put in the extra effort. | |
| Mar 6, 2014 at 10:57 | comment | added | Pedro Cordeiro | @ComeAndGo, you'd be right if my profession was regulamented (like doctors, engineers, etc). Since it's not, the law says if I can't have the job (because I don't have a degree), I can't do the job either. If I'm already doing the job, I should be paid accordingly. | |
| Mar 6, 2014 at 1:38 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/#!/StackWorkplace/status/441387366952222720 | ||
| Mar 6, 2014 at 0:46 | answer | added | Vector | timeline score: 3 | |
| Mar 6, 2014 at 0:39 | comment | added | Vector | @PedroCordeiro - I am not familiar with Brazilian law, but since they stipulate a degree for your level of work, your legal grounds may not be as strong as you believe. | |
| Mar 5, 2014 at 23:24 | comment | added | Pedro Cordeiro | @joe, there are also other analysts (one was hired on the same day I was!) doing exactly the same thing I am (in the same project). We discuss everything before delegating tasks to the other programmers. This falls right into the "wage parity" thing. | |
| Mar 5, 2014 at 23:17 | comment | added | Pedro Cordeiro | @thursdaygeek either one would be fine. | |
| Mar 5, 2014 at 23:16 | comment | added | Pedro Cordeiro | @joe, in Brazil there are two things called "attribute deviation" and "wage parity". The first one happens when an employer hires someone to do a subpaid work, but in reality ends up making him do what was supposed to be a higher paid job. The second one demands all employees with the same attributions get paid the same (regardless of titles, as long as they were hired within a 2-year time frame). Wife's a lawyer. | |
| Mar 5, 2014 at 22:40 | comment | added | thursdaysgeek | If they followed the law, would the result be that you were paid more, or did a lower level of work? | |
| Mar 5, 2014 at 22:05 | history | edited | IDrinkandIKnowThings | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Mar 5, 2014 at 21:16 | comment | added | Pedro Cordeiro | Yes, definitely! | |
| Mar 5, 2014 at 20:54 | comment | added | IDrinkandIKnowThings | Do you want to be sure you are still employed there after you get your degree? | |
| Mar 5, 2014 at 20:49 | history | asked | Pedro Cordeiro | CC BY-SA 3.0 |