Timeline for Asked to use CCTV to check fellow employee's hours
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| Sep 9, 2014 at 8:58 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/#!/StackWorkplace/status/509264462126522368 | ||
| Sep 6, 2014 at 8:27 | comment | added | Brandin | To see why this is privacy issue, consider a similar scenario in the workplace - drug screenings. Some employees must undergo drug screenings as condition for their employment, which may be allowed/agreed upon. HOWEVER suppose HR staff goes into my bathroom to secretly collect urine samples or whatever from my toilet. And then uses this as evidence for drug usage or misconduct or whatever. This is a privacy issue and it is analogous to the CCTV being asked. Major problem is lack of trust. HR needs to come clean and say "hey here's the concern we have" and then go from there. | |
| Sep 6, 2014 at 8:24 | comment | added | Brandin | This sounds foul not just because of privacy. For example, if I step out at the time you checked on CCTV and am working offsite, maybe this still is eligible for overtime. If there are questions/concerns HR needs to ask me, not invade my privacy and make assumptions about the claims that I've made in good faith. | |
| Sep 4, 2014 at 18:33 | comment | added | CodesInChaos | I'm no expert in these matters, but AFAIK in Germany surveillance needs to be proportionate, so installing CCTV just to catch time sheet fraud would probably not acceptable since less invasive measures such as checking in/out using a magnet card would work as well. Even if the video surveillance itself is acceptable (e.g. in the public part of a bank), using them to check for time sheet fraud would probably require a concrete suspicion. It's also often necessary to involve employee representatives (Betriebsrat) in such matters. So I wouldn't proceed with this without legal counsel. | |
| Sep 4, 2014 at 18:09 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | @CodesInChaos: That's ridiculous. | |
| Sep 4, 2014 at 18:04 | comment | added | CodesInChaos | @LightnessRacesinOrbit There are clearly cultural differences concerning privacy issues, since for me it's quite clear that this is a privacy issue and would most likely be illegal in Germany. | |
| Sep 3, 2014 at 18:08 | comment | added | CGCampbell | @NicolasBarbulesco I wonder if this would be covered by what you suggest. The reason I say this is that the employee has recorded overtime hours using the official timekeeping system (whether that is a punch clock or physical/electronic time card is irrelevant) so the employer has doubts as to whether the employee actually worked. If it is French law that the only way the employer can check on the employee is by using that same system, fraud must be prevalent in France. (i.e. I indicated on my time card I worked 50 hours, so that's what I worked. Boss, you must accept that as fact!) | |
| Sep 3, 2014 at 16:31 | answer | added | Prinsig | timeline score: 5 | |
| Sep 3, 2014 at 14:00 | comment | added | o0'. | It depends on the country. As far as I know, that would be quite illegal in Italy, for instance. | |
| Sep 3, 2014 at 13:49 | comment | added | TheMaskedCucumber | @Ramhound - In France, it is forbidden for a company to check hours of employees with a system which is not for that use. For this to be allowed, the system must have been declared to be for that use and the employees must have been informed. | |
| Sep 3, 2014 at 11:11 | history | edited | user8036 |
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| Sep 3, 2014 at 10:39 | answer | added | Anonymous Coward | timeline score: -4 | |
| Sep 3, 2014 at 10:09 | vote | accept | Dan | ||
| Sep 3, 2014 at 8:00 | comment | added | Nathan | @Ian Fair enough. Good point. | |
| Sep 2, 2014 at 22:16 | comment | added | Ian | @NathanCooper, as I was much thinking that the ideal could be put into the bosses head.. | |
| Sep 2, 2014 at 21:18 | answer | added | Jason Quick | timeline score: 13 | |
| Sep 2, 2014 at 19:53 | comment | added | Dawood ibn Kareem | Since there may be legal issues here, you should clarify what country you are in, and possibly what state. Otherwise, you may get answers that do not match your particular jurisdiction. | |
| Sep 2, 2014 at 18:54 | comment | added | Kevin | "certified in CCTV operation"? Is that even a thing? | |
| Sep 2, 2014 at 18:35 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | It's clearly not a "privacy" issue whatsoever, though I understand your other concerns. | |
| Sep 2, 2014 at 15:07 | comment | added | Ian | What if the boss refused to pay the overtime without proof and the other employee then asked you to look at the CCTV? | |
| Sep 2, 2014 at 14:58 | comment | added | Rob Moir | Are you after actual advice here or looking for someone else to tell you that you're right to refuse? | |
| Sep 2, 2014 at 13:38 | comment | added | IDrinkandIKnowThings | General advice questions are off topic here. What is it you would like to know about or are having difficulty dealing with? Do you have a link to the Code of Conduct for CCTV use you are talking about? What specifically do you feel is being violated? | |
| Sep 2, 2014 at 13:38 | history | edited | IDrinkandIKnowThings | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Sep 2, 2014 at 12:35 | answer | added | Hilmar | timeline score: 26 | |
| Sep 2, 2014 at 12:23 | answer | added | Burhan Khalid | timeline score: 34 | |
| Sep 2, 2014 at 12:19 | answer | added | user8036 | timeline score: 42 | |
| Sep 2, 2014 at 11:47 | review | Close votes | |||
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| Sep 2, 2014 at 11:27 | comment | added | Donald | @JuhaUntinen - I mean you simply notice them. This is like saying that the security camera used to prevent employee theft at McD's is a privacy violation. | |
| Sep 2, 2014 at 11:25 | answer | added | Pepone | timeline score: -4 | |
| Sep 2, 2014 at 11:22 | comment | added | Juha Untinen | @Ramhound: well, in my workplace, there are CCTV cams, but their presence is not mentioned in any document or intranet guide. Unless you meant that no one has noticed them? | |
| Sep 2, 2014 at 11:16 | comment | added | Donald | How is it a vioation of their privacy? They are aware of the cameras are they not? They are aware that the company might check the records at any time? Don't say there are not aware of the cameras, you don't work in a building, without that knowlege. | |
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| Sep 2, 2014 at 10:57 | history | asked | Dan | CC BY-SA 3.0 |