Timeline for Should I tell the hiring manager that I don't intend to stay for more than a year?
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| Aug 18, 2016 at 18:28 | comment | added | iheanyi | @DeanMacGregor here's a similar example. If I just got pregnant, so I know I will be taking time off in 9 months, would I be expected to inform a potential employer of this if I'm applying for a position whose duration is open ended (permanent) or contract for more than 9 months? I'd say no. But it seems you think that disclosure is ethically required. | |
| Aug 18, 2016 at 18:23 | comment | added | iheanyi | @DeanMacGregor regarding the answer to "where do you see yourself in five years", I've never answered that with anything other than what I described - how I view myself and my accomplishments with no regard to whether I'd be with the particular person asking the question. I've never had any issues in that regard. Now, to be fair, there is a lot of self selection going on between me and employers, but I find it hard to imagine people are being rejected en-masse if their answers don't reference the asking company and instead focus solely on personal and professional goals. | |
| Aug 18, 2016 at 18:20 | comment | added | iheanyi | @DeanMacGregor Except that's not the question. We were not asked "If I'm asked directly should I lie?". I'm pretty sure ethics does not require that I anticipate every potential contingency on behalf of someone else. A "permanent" position describes the position, not the employee. Just because a position is to be permanent does not imply the filler of that position should also expect to be permanent. | |
| Aug 18, 2016 at 16:52 | comment | added | Dean MacGregor | @iheanyi the question isn't whether or not accepting is ethical. The question is whether or not hiding the plan to leave town is ethical. Not telling the employer certainly fails the "treat others as you'd like to be treated" test for most people. That is to say not many people would be happy if they were interviewing for a job which advertised itself as permanent whilst the employer knew (or believed) the position would only be available for a year. | |
| Aug 18, 2016 at 16:47 | comment | added | Dean MacGregor | @iheanyi Most interviewers don't like super short answers so it's not so easy. Also if this is a job OP qualifies for before completing their studies it is unlikely it's a job they'd still want in 5 years. Look I'm not saying it'd be impossible to evade that question without lying but it'd certainly be tricky especially if/when they ask follow up questions. | |
| Aug 18, 2016 at 16:39 | comment | added | iheanyi | I can't see how accepting is unethical. Despite your plans 1 year into the future, you don't know what you actually want. The hiring committee's job is to find a candidate that matches what they are looking for. So before you're hired, you're to do their job for them? My goal when job searching is to find the best match for me. If my potential employer is making horrible decisions, how is that my fault or my responsibility? Look at it another way, if I had my fortune told which says I'll die in a year, is it then unethical as well? | |
| Aug 18, 2016 at 16:37 | comment | added | iheanyi | @DeanMacGregor Why would saying "being a successful X or taking advantage of skills developed in Y" be a lie? Or are you supposed to answer "Being promoted for the fifth time at this company"? Even for a "permanent" position, it's pretty premature for both parties involved to just assume that the relationship will still be there in 5 years. | |
| Aug 17, 2016 at 15:24 | comment | added | Dean MacGregor | Most interviewers ask questions like "where do you see yourself in 5 years" so more than likely OP would have to explicitly lie not just essentially lie. | |
| Aug 17, 2016 at 14:56 | comment | added | JamesRyan | Another side of it is that if it is only 1 year of study away the company may well be happy to employ you if you are planning to come back afterwards. So telling them up front isn't neccesarily completely bad for getting the job in the first place. Whereas surprising them with it will almost certainly rule out that option. | |
| Aug 17, 2016 at 14:54 | comment | added | coteyr | @Mathematics, working with a company should be about working with that company, not ripping them off. The company says they want a permanent employee. This person KNOWS for a fact that they can not be a permanent employee. They should not apply. Or at least should mention their plans. It's a good question and this is a good answer. | |
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| Aug 17, 2016 at 13:42 | comment | added | Benubird | @Mathematics I think the implication of "permanent" in the role description, is that you should only apply if you are not already planning to leave. Otherwise, you are essentially lying to them - allowing them to believe you are applying for a permanent place, when you do not intend it to be permanent. | |
| Aug 17, 2016 at 13:40 | comment | added | user34687 | @Mathematics but permanent roles are intended to be open ended - for both parties. Wouldnt you be upset if you joined a company in a permanent role and a year down the road they canned you, and it became apparent that it was always planned as a short term position? Thats where this becomes an ethical consideration - the role is permanent, the candidate already has concrete future plans. Aside from the money involved, recruiting is a pain in the ass - a company would much rather go for the candidate that has more long term potential than the one who already has an end in sight. | |
| Aug 17, 2016 at 13:32 | comment | added | Davor | @Benubird - no, there isn't. It's not your job to worry about long term interests of a company that you won't even be working in. | |
| Aug 17, 2016 at 12:42 | comment | added | Benubird | @Mathematics Recruiters typically charge 10-20% of the applicants annual salary, so having to hire someone new in a year - not to mention the cost of time spent getting the new employee up to speed - can have a significant impact on the company. So yes, if you know you leaving so soon might hurt the company, then there is an ethical issue. | |
| Aug 17, 2016 at 12:06 | comment | added | Mathematics | Permanent roles doesn't require employees to stay with company for X number of years, you may join a company for any duration, it's not wrong on any level. They will only pay you for what they are getting & you will only get paid until you are there. | |
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