Timeline for Is it reasonable to expect overtime from unpaid interns?
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| Jun 20, 2017 at 19:53 | comment | added | Alic | You claim on the Canadian labour law isn't accurate. The Canada Labour Code (Federal) contains nothing about meal breaks or other rest periods. And in Onatrio, the payment for lunch break is not required. Maybe it's different in another province(e.g. BC) that lunch break must be paid. | |
| Jun 20, 2017 at 19:22 | comment | added | bobo2000 | I don't know why he hasn't done that already to be honest. | |
| Jun 20, 2017 at 19:21 | comment | added | iheanyi | @bobo2000 not really. He can walk away any time, no strings attached, with only potential negative impact to professional prospects from similar employer's which makes it very different from slave labor. | |
| Jun 20, 2017 at 15:56 | comment | added | bobo2000 | @iheanyi well then it is slave labour, OP RUN AWAY and don't look back. | |
| Jun 19, 2017 at 22:16 | comment | added | iheanyi | @bobo2000 he's an unpaid intern. There's no contracted work hours. | |
| Jun 19, 2017 at 14:55 | comment | added | laszlok | @chepner I have worked in a large multinational company and a much smaller (albeit also multinational) company, and in both cases, the management style and managers' attitude were quite similar from one level to the next. When something is this broken, I don't think there's much of a chance "higher up" - taking your services elsewhere, and urgently, seems to me by far the most sensible bottom line. (Which is not to say you shouldn't attempt to educate your manager in the meantime.) | |
| Jun 19, 2017 at 14:20 | comment | added | laszlok | Additionally, voluntarily looking to spend more than the contractually agreed number of hours is much more indicative of people who are rightfully worried about the quality of their work (and therefore seek to compensate with quantity) than of someone who's making good use of their time in the office and providing value to the company - quite apart from the (otherwise very valid) burnout considerations. Your manager probably hasn't realized this, and could in fact themselves be compensating with quantity for the poor quality of their own work. | |
| Jun 19, 2017 at 14:16 | comment | added | laszlok | Since this is a protected question and I don't think I'll bother waiting for the required rep to answer it... A less confrontative way of looking at this would be to realize that to be useful to the company, you need to have a healthy work-life balance, and that spending more than 8.5 hours at the office - and especially finding ways to do so - is a good way to ruin that. The only place this doesn't apply is Japan, not because it's not true but because the concept of work-life balance is nonexistent there. | |
| Jun 19, 2017 at 12:04 | comment | added | chepner | It might be worth bringing this up with the manager's manager. There is a slight chance that the manager, not the company, is the problem. | |
| Jun 18, 2017 at 16:10 | comment | added | Andrea Lazzarotto | @Kat's comment is also applicable to other countries. For instance, in Italy there is no 9-to-5 culture. Quite the opposite, we generally have plenty of time (usually 1.5 hours) between the two 4-hour time slots so people can go have lunch at home or at some restaurant. | |
| Jun 17, 2017 at 20:07 | comment | added | bobo2000 | Yeah, I get that, you know what the OP should do, he should show them his employment contract and tell them that he is contracted to work 40 hours. Companies who take their employees for granted like this, do not deserve to be in business. I very much doubt management would treat a subcontractor who is subcontracted for x number hours that same way, since they know that they will be changed more if they did. | |
| Jun 17, 2017 at 19:56 | comment | added | Kat | Fyi, in the USA, people are generally expected to work eight hours in addition to any unpaid lunch break. So that part isn't weird if he's American. | |
| Jun 17, 2017 at 19:52 | comment | added | Kat | @bobo2000 think of it like the people who say "if you're early, you're on time, and if you're on time, then you're late." Obviously working 8 hours a day unpaid (!) should be more than sufficient, but his manager is saying OP should work late every day to be working the proper amount. | |
| Jun 17, 2017 at 18:28 | comment | added | bobo2000 | Steve-O wrote that they had noted he was leaving too early for work, if he is leaving on time, he is not leaving too early for work. I am a bit confused which one it is. Either way, sounds like a shit place to work. | |
| Jun 17, 2017 at 17:47 | comment | added | Bernhard Barker | @bobo2000 That's not a contradiction. OP was accused of leaving early despite leaving at the "official" end of work time. Presumably that's a work culture where working late is expected and leaving on time is leaving early (which is not a nice culture to have). | |
| Jun 17, 2017 at 13:48 | comment | added | bobo2000 | Oh right, well that is a big No No for the OP. Saying that, management there seems to be really strict, I periodically let those I am managing leave earlier if they have completed their work. He has contradicted himself here: Now, our official start and ends times are from 9:30 to 6:00 so everyday for the past several weeks I have been working hard to finish my days tasks and then leaving at 6:00 | |
| Jun 17, 2017 at 13:44 | comment | added | Steve-O | First paragraph: ..."While my manager told me that the code I had been submitting was excellent and that my work was more than solid, they noted that I had been leaving too early from work and that this called my dedication into question." | |
| Jun 17, 2017 at 13:41 | comment | added | bobo2000 | Where did his boss accuse him of leaving too early? Can't see that in the OP. | |
| Jun 17, 2017 at 13:36 | history | answered | Steve-O | CC BY-SA 3.0 |