Timeline for Does the first person to mention a number in a salary negotiation lose?
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| S May 29, 2018 at 17:17 | history | bounty ended | Old_Lamplighter | ||
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| S May 23, 2018 at 16:46 | history | bounty started | Old_Lamplighter | ||
| S May 23, 2018 at 16:46 | history | notice added | Old_Lamplighter | Draw attention | |
| Mar 13, 2016 at 20:12 | comment | added | user38933 | I've always said "that would depend on factors such as benefits and responsibilities", possibly including factors like equity if it seems applicable. | |
| Nov 24, 2015 at 12:14 | comment | added | Hugo Rocha | @otakucode I see. Thank you for your imput. It's a good thing I try my best to stay away from these employees who focus so much on that. | |
| Nov 23, 2015 at 23:28 | comment | added | otakucode | Why do you say that certain employers can require a detailed salary history? Regardless of employer size, turning away prospective employees because they prefer salary be negotiated ethically (on the basis of value of the work to be performed) would be more destructive than getting to prevent people from making significantly more than prior jobs (especially since they have already determined a rate which would be profitable). | |
| Nov 23, 2015 at 23:23 | comment | added | otakucode | @HugoRocha Unfortunately, yes. Modern employers view employee compensation a cost center and seek to reduce it through any legal means. They are playing a game and if you choose not to play, you will lose. | |
| Aug 6, 2015 at 19:39 | answer | added | Jay | timeline score: 5 | |
| Jan 23, 2015 at 13:53 | comment | added | Steve Jessop | FWIW, Steve Hanov's "game theoretical proof" is rubbish. One obvious error: he assumes that the company is unwilling to change from L to H on seeing the candidate's H bid, but that the candidate is willing to change from H to L on seeing the company's L bid. This asymmetry is no part of the game rules, he's implying something about your BATNA. He also assumes that two possible things necessarily occur with equal probability, which is garbage, but that can perhaps be forgiven on grounds that the percentages in his outcomes are kind of irrelevant anyway. | |
| Nov 30, 2014 at 22:13 | comment | added | paparazzo | In contracting the biggest number is not always the best income. I have had some gigs that were not exactly the number I wanted but if was a good enough value that they kept me for 2 years on what started as a 2 week job. | |
| Nov 5, 2014 at 19:26 | comment | added | CGCampbell | The first company, I spoke first and they jumped on me. I was happy, until I found out how low a ball I was actually given. The second time, I was more careful, however that time the owner/CEO wanted me specifically and was offered and paid very much the going rate plus. | |
| Nov 5, 2014 at 19:24 | comment | added | CGCampbell | When I read this topic, I always think about my personal experience from 2000-2002. After 15 years in the military, I was a relative expert in a field. My first job interview was with a medium to large company. They doubled my military salary. I and my family were simply beside ourselves happy. We couldn't believe our luck, bought a new car, house, etc. Three months later I found out I was making just about half the going rate for my field, yet double what I was before. About 6 months later I was cherry picked into a small startup.... this time more than doubling my salary. | |
| Oct 23, 2014 at 14:08 | answer | added | ChrisLively | timeline score: 19 | |
| Jun 23, 2014 at 2:40 | comment | added | Aaron Hall | The answer given by @JanDoggen actually covers the research on this, and I'd consider it the best answer here. | |
| Apr 17, 2014 at 16:25 | history | edited | Nicole | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
"Always" is too strong.
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| S Apr 17, 2014 at 13:40 | history | suggested | samthebrand | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Great question that will be featured at Lifehacker. Some explication of your hyperlinks.
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| S Dec 26, 2013 at 21:39 | history | bounty ended | CommunityBot | ||
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| Dec 23, 2013 at 11:20 | comment | added | Hugo Rocha | There has to be a loser? :| | |
| Dec 20, 2013 at 19:16 | answer | added | KeithS | timeline score: 5 | |
| Dec 20, 2013 at 14:51 | comment | added | Bob Cross | @JohnFx, especially if they're a pay-banded organization. Where I work, there's a fixed minimum and a fixed maximum per level. To receive more salary, you have to get a formal promotion. That reduces some kinds of stress: if you're being hired at a certain level and the organization literally cannot pay you want, you can stop worrying. This isn't the job for you. | |
| Dec 20, 2013 at 12:52 | answer | added | CMW | timeline score: 27 | |
| Dec 20, 2013 at 0:19 | comment | added | TRiG | Could this be asked on Skeptics? | |
| Dec 19, 2013 at 15:38 | answer | added | user8036 | timeline score: 69 | |
| S Dec 18, 2013 at 19:52 | history | bounty started | CommunityBot | ||
| S Dec 18, 2013 at 19:52 | history | notice added | user10857 | Current answers are outdated | |
| Nov 7, 2012 at 11:20 | answer | added | Vinnyroe | timeline score: 256 | |
| Apr 27, 2012 at 20:43 | answer | added | Sklivvz | timeline score: 13 | |
| Apr 20, 2012 at 11:09 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/#!/StackWorkplace/status/193295193389277184 | ||
| Apr 13, 2012 at 18:36 | comment | added | JohnFx | I think that all the stress people have about what number to throw out is based on the silly notion that maybe the company is thinking of a number WAY higher than you expect and you are leaving money on the table if you don't ask big. More often than not, they are probably thinking of a number LOWER than you are. | |
| Apr 13, 2012 at 18:22 | answer | added | Michael Brown | timeline score: 13 | |
| Apr 11, 2012 at 18:08 | comment | added | Andrew | @Aarthi I'd be really interested in seeing that notion turned into an answer. | |
| Apr 11, 2012 at 13:17 | comment | added | Aarthi | Economic game theory states that the first person to name a number actually ends up setting a benchmark and thus wins. Not in every scenario, but I distinctly remember being told this in my game theory courses. | |
| Apr 11, 2012 at 12:13 | comment | added | tehnyit | I think a proper answer to this question will depend on what you mean by lose? eg, if the first salary figure is accepted, do you lose because potentially it could have been more? | |
| Apr 10, 2012 at 22:49 | comment | added | Andrew | @normalocity I would be labeled an "inclusionist" by those who care about such things, but I actually found the question rather straightforward and answerable. Whether my answer was straightforward is another matter entirely, of course. | |
| Apr 10, 2012 at 22:49 | answer | added | itsmequinn | timeline score: 32 | |
| Apr 10, 2012 at 22:42 | comment | added | jefflunt | Interesting, but I don't see how this can possibly be answered the way you've phrased it. If it were a question about statistics on negotiations, studies available, etc. then maybe. How can a precise answer to the question, as phrased possibly be correct? I guess I'll see what answers come. | |
| Apr 10, 2012 at 22:40 | answer | added | Andrew | timeline score: 106 | |
| Apr 10, 2012 at 22:16 | history | asked | Nicole | CC BY-SA 3.0 |