What is the most efficient way for someone with a B.A. to get into the tech industry? [closed]

Question

I have a Bachelor's of Arts in Creative writing and would like to have the sort of opportunities available to people with BSc in Computer Science. Database development, software development, network development, and etc are career opportunities I would like to have access to within the next 5 years.

Right now, my options seem to be: Go back to school and get a BSc, find a MSc in CS that will accept my BA, attend code bootcamps, or self-teach.

• BSc option has the advantage of giving me exactly the opportunities I'm looking for, at a financial and temporal cost. It will also be difficult or impossible to do this in a timely manner with a full time job. Will likely have to take out a loan and go full-time student with part time work.
• MSc option should give me access to similar opportunities that a BSc would and should take less time, and possibly be cheaper, however it is difficult to find a program that will accept BA applicants, and finding a way to balance this option with full time work would also be difficult. Would likely have to take out a loan and go full time student with this. Possibilities of doing an online program while living in a low-cost environment (Asia, etc) exist, and are worth investigating.
• Code boot camps promise low-cost, little time investment training, with high hiring rates. However, horror stories abound, and these will not be as well respected as a degree.
• Self-teaching has the benefit of allowing me to work full time and learn at my own pace, but the education will be inconsistent, and I will always be considered second-class to someone with a degree.

Each option has many facets, advantages, and disadvantages, and this is what I am hoping to clarify. For example, would it be better to be working while taking an online MSc, which may not be as respected and will take longer? Or to put my head down for a year as a full time student and then start working right away? What sort of programs out there accept BA students? Should I study abroad (as an American), which can often be cheaper (schools in Taiwan waive tuition for foreigners, for example)?

Answer 1

5 years is a lot. From your question it seems you are targeting programming positions. If your goal is to find a job and consistently stay employed, then you need both verifiable credentials and a minimum amount of software engineering skills.

Make your skills visible. In your face visible. You need to devote a substantial amount of time to contribute to public projects which are valuable in term of software engineering. This can only be done if you enjoy programming, because the immediate monetary\recognition gain is close to zero. If you have a full year with 8h per day at your disposition you can pull it off.

• Off course self learn. I graduated from a top university but I still take online courses. Sometimes in domains which have nothing to do with programming. I compared the online and offline course for scala and they are nearly the same (lectures, assignments, TAs).
• Pick a soon to be hot language and get good at it. For instance, Swift, the new Apple programming language of choice which may replace Objective-c. There is nothing more efficient than surfing big waves better. You have the advantage over programmers which are already good\comfy with their existing frameworks and don't put a lot of resources in anything else.
• Likewise avoid the ecosystems full of mediocre programmers or just saturated. It will be incredibly difficult to assert yourself as a good php\JEE programmer.
• Submit patches to open source projects. Getting patches accepted at some notorious open source projects can be very difficult. Succeeding doing so raise you above the level of fraud. This is can be useful when you target the industry related to the project in question (eg ffmpeg and multimedia processing)
• Solve quizzes sponsored by companies. A tech recruiter contacted me and all people who made successful submissions to several of their quizzes.
• Contribute to stack overflow : While you are learning also look in providing answers. You will be in direct competition with skillful people, still hard.
• Once you have some evidence that you are competent, network. Your friends can provide you access to opportunities you will never find by your own. Tell them your story while you are doing it. They will talk about it. They will think about you a year from now when the next position is being discussed.

Edit to address comments:

• Nobody know what the next hot language is. Do your research. If you on the self learning route, you absolutely need good foundations like algorithm. You may want to learn either java\C++\python. But at this point you have minimal competitive advantage over a university graduate. You need to take risks. If from your research you learn Apple is releasing a new programming language called Swift, give it a go. Right now not a lot of students are learning it in classrooms.

• Of course programming is hard. This is not about learning IT. This is about getting a job. And my post is about what may increases chances if someone chooses the route of trying to get a job without a degree, a programming job. I am not downplaying the importance of a degree. You are not going to submit patch in the first day. Maybe it will be in two years. But once you have some skills you need to prove to other that you have skills; that's where patching\quizzes\networking come to play. If you don't have a long term strategy you cannot devise a good process and learning will be overwhelming. You better go give a pile of cash, sit down 4 years so they hand you a degree.

Answer 2

I can't recommend what to do for you because different people have different learning styles, different goals, different constraints. That said, here is some information about this common sort of scenario you can use to make a better decision.

Oh, and before I begin, the most efficient way to get a job is (as always) to know someone. If you can do the job, and know someone at the company who knows you can do the job, that sort of social networking is always the quickest and easiest way to get a job.

At least in my area (US), you really have two solid options. You can go back to school to get your bachelors in computer science. This is long, costly, and depending on what school you go to, not very educational. Or... you can not. Code camps will not get you jobs. Masters programs won't take you unless you can show you know your stuff... which is what you'd have to do to get a job. Online programs are not widely respected.

Honestly, many places will turn you away for not having a CS degree. But even though it's not the dotcom days, there's a decided lack of skilled programmers. If you can do the work someone will (eventually) give you a shot. You might need to take a crappy job to get your foot in the door, but once you're a "professional programmer" a lot of the roadblocks go away. Assuming you can do the work that is. If they fire you a few months in, that's no good.

So, the main question is - can you do the work? Do you need the structured environment of a university to learn to do the work, or can you learn on your own without deadlines or direction?

Answer 3

Go to school, get a degree.

I'm shocked that nobody has told you this yet.

A lot of rot about "degrees are useless" and "self learn" ~ IT is hard, dude. If IT was easy, it wouldn't be well compensated. As a tech person, it is easy for me - now - to self learn a new language.

But if I tried that without a decade of tech skills, I'd get nowhere fast.

Right now, I work at a bank you've definitely heard of - I work with a bunch of guys, we're well paid. I'm awesome, but this answer isn't about me - it is actually about my boss.

See, he didn't go to uni - he, believe it or not, spent about 8 years in a band and managing a club.

Then he realised he wasn't going where he wanted, and so, probably feeling pretty stupid, he went and got his degree.

I cannot stress to you how much easier getting a well paying job in IT will be with a degree. While it won't guarantee success - like everything, you have to work at IT - it will help you no end.

Learning IT is no longer "knowing some HTML and CSS" ~ please do yourself a favour and get a degree. I'd strongly recommend a full time degree at the best school you can get into.

Failing that, a part-time degree, at the best school you can get into.

In IT, (right now, anyway), the extra cost of a better school will be well compensated for over time.

EDIT

Also, consider that part of what a degree gets you is avoiding the split that happens when people apply for jobs. All the non-degree-applicants go in one pile, degree-holders in another. If nobody with a degree is making the cut, then they'll look at the non-degree holders.

Answer 4

I have a Bachelor's of Arts in Creative writing and would like to have the sort of opportunities available to people with BSc in Computer Science. Database development, software development, network development, and etc are career opportunities I would like to have access to within the next 5 years.

Short of acquiring a BSc in Computer Science, you are unlikely to have the same opportunities immediately.

But your 5 year time horizon gives you lots of possibilities.

BSc option has the advantage of giving me exactly the opportunities I'm looking for, at a financial and temporal cost. It will also be difficult or impossible to do this in a timely manner with a full time job. Will likely have to take out a loan and go full-time student with part time work.

Perhaps. If you worked hard enough and were smart enough, you could probably get a BSc in 5 years of evening and/or part-time courses, while working full or part time to finance the courses.

Many colleges will accept some of your BA courses toward fulfilling your BSc electives - thus reducing the number of new courses you would need.

MSc option should give me access to similar opportunities that a BSc would and should take less time, and possibly be cheaper, however it is difficult to find a program that will accept BA applicants, and finding a way to balance this option with full time work would also be difficult. Would likely have to take out a loan and go full time student with this. Possibilities of doing an online program while living in a low-cost environment (Asia, etc) exist, and are worth investigating.

This is a possibility. As you point out you would have to find an MSc program that would accept your undergraduate courses.

Once again, if you are motivated enough and smart enough, this could work. And you'd end up with a Masters degree, rather than just another BS degree.

Code boot camps promise low-cost, little time investment training, with high hiring rates. However, horror stories abound, and these will not be as well respected as a degree.

I haven't heard good things about such boot camps or "get into the industry quick" schemes. For me, I'd steer clear - your mileage may vary.

Self-teaching has the benefit of allowing me to work full time and learn at my own pace, but the education will be inconsistent, and I will always be considered second-class to someone with a degree.

If you haven't self-taught yet, you should be doing this anyway. That won't get you a degree, however. And you are unlikely to get "the sort of opportunities available to people with BSc in Computer Science this way, as your stated was your goal.

On thing you didn't mention is to try and leverage your writing credentials. Some companies hire writers to work with the tech groups (documentation, help files, user manuals, etc). It's often easier to transfer to a different group within a company, once you have some product/domain expertise under your belt. And some companies offer tuition reimbursement as a benefit.

Don't neglect your personal and professional network as way to get introduced to the kinds of people who could hire you for the position you aspire to.

Remember, it only takes one hiring manager to have confidence in you - and you can get there many different ways. Any of the above could work, but none are going to be easy or guaranteed to succeed. It's probably more a matter of perseverance and hard work, than one of efficiency at this point in time.

Answer 5

First of all - congrats and "bon courage" for your career change decision. Having a degree in Creative Writing is not a disadvantage at all and I believe you could actually profit from it. After all, computer science is all about creativity. Even the most "boring-looking" database query could be creatively solved. And you can totally have fun with it.

That being said - I have a degree in CS, so clearly I am slightly biased. But what I currently do, I taught myself (iOS development). The main thing, as with anything, really - is to put in the hours. Be persistent, sit on it and build things. We have this amazing community on StackOverflow, that will tell you everything you need to know (and even more!) to not only be good, but also great.

There are many great sources out there, such as CodeSchool, Lynda, Khan Academy, Coursera etc that could give you some theory background (especially the algorithms class) but that could wait a little while after you've picked some basics. You could also do TopCoder challenges to have the feeling of solving problems under pressure.

My main recommendation? Be patient, build stuff, dig deep in documentation and SO, start from scratch regularly and most of all have fun!

Answer 6

I have a BA in History, but I've done software development for 25 years. I got into Engineering via a Tech Support job. I proved myself at that job, and it also led to contacts with some of the engineers. I started off asking for help with small projects I was doing, then after I showed I could code, I was given a few minor projects to do. That led to a job in Engineering, and a fine career that is still going strong.

This is the traditional route for people like us. Get an entry-level job, and work yourself up. Tech Support and Quality Assurance are the most common entry-level jobs. As entry-level jobs, they don't usually require much experience, and they offer training. Get in the door, start networking, and create your own path to Engineering.

It's different these days. Today, you can build web apps and mobile apps and all kinds of other stuff that is available publicly, so you can establish a body of work and build a reputation. You have a much bigger forum in which you can prove yourself. Nobody cares where you went to school or what you studied if you can demonstrate a solid body of work.

Answer 7

Here is the straight and simple and most honest answer, and it doesn't matter what degree or professional history you have.

Get a job, in your chosen career path line. Kick ass, learn everything you can that is relevant, and kick some more ass. Be loyal and show your interest in growth, move on when growth isn't an option. Keep learning, build your portfolio of professional certificates, and record everything you do so you have a thorough CV. Projectize your resume, it's better for detailing what you have accomplished.

Learn the lingo of management...you don't have problems, you have challenges...you have opportunities and gaps...

Keep learning, keep showing interest in professional growth and just do it.

Answer 8

The demand for programmers is extremely high right now. You don't need a CS degree to get work. You just need to be able to get an interview, and then demonstrate an ability to write working code during the interview. And no, you will not always be considered second-class to someone with a CS degree. Your degree isn't stamped on your forehead. If you can learn the fundamentals of CS: data structures and algorithms, and can write a couple dozen lines of working code on a whiteboard, you can get a job. Sadly, most CS graduates I have interviewed cannot do either.

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I have interviewed dozens of candidates for programming jobs, some new graduates, some more experienced. The basic requirements for a programmer in an R&D company are the same everywhere: the candidate must understand fundamental data structures and demonstrate an ability to program. Over half the candidates have been unable to do this, including many who claimed to have gained an MSCS with a high GPA. This year it's 0 for 4. This is not news. And it's not that I'm a ridiculously tough interviewer. My colleagues fail candidates at the same rate.